A (not very) cunning stunt
by hakmao, 16 June 2008
The Davis stunt is about civil liberties don’t you know? Ask any naïve, dead from the neck up dupe.
Campaign for Davis!
Because this fine upstanding defender of freedom would have curtailed the rights of the the Birmingham Six, Guildford Four, Maguire Seven and any number of others with a rope and the standard drop.
The paladin for civil liberties has never criticised (that I can find on record) the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 enacted by the previous Tory government, which removed a defendant’s right to silence, thereby eroding the basic rights 1. of presumption of innocence until proven guilty and 2. that exercising the right to silence should not prejudice the defence in a criminal trial.
Davis the civil libertarian campaigned against the repeal of Clause 28, opposed the equal age of consent and the right of gay and lesbian couples to adopt children, and was strongly in favour of lowering the limit for legal abortions. Comrades, we should never allow gay or women’s rights to become a shibboleth.
And why six weeks when four will do?
We bring you the Haltemprice and Howden Popular Front. Onwards to victory!
Monday 16 June 2008 at 23:38
But but but — did you not know that all Tory vermin are now ‘libertarians’? They all stand up for ‘liberty’ and shit like that at every opportunity don’t you know.
Davis is merely a ‘moderate’ ‘libertarian’ by not going the whole way with his ‘libertarianism’.
Two words: nuke them all.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 0:23
… look at the piece of shite here now
http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/whos-laughing-now/
wot a plank and turd voltaire’s pantyline is.
He would be up against the wall at the earliest opportunity — just give me state power and it will be done.
Note the comment by the stupid tory vermin…apparently there is such a thing as a sliding scale of ‘libertarianism’ now. D davis is merely a ‘moderate ‘libertarian’.
I would gas that sort immediately.
That would put an end to their hippy shite once and for all.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 0:26
Via email to me from someone who knows about shite like the shite that the Tory Vermin is pontificating about:
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 1:25
http://www.gentheoryrubbish.com/2008/06/its_aaall_ower_the_shop_at_the.html
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 2:03
One of your favourite commenters Conor Foley announces his support for Davis.
And Sunny Hundal says “Vote Tory!”
What a pair of preening cocks.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 5:24
Hark the sound of liberal hands wringing.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 6:49
The Davis flimflam is yet another example of the convergence of the right and the Tankies (and their idiotic fellow travellers). People like Davis are Foley’s number one chums because if the Birmingham Six were dead (and guilty) no-one would be looking for the brave freedom-fighting heroes who actually bombed the pubs.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 9:30
The foreground kitten is singing “Fiiiiiiiiiiiigaro”.
The background kitten is wondering whether or not they should vote Tory to make sure that people with skin of Pantone 464 or browner will be locked up for only 28 days.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 9:47
Just had a look at Conor Foley’s piece linked to above. Has there ever been a greater display of stupidity in one comments thread? (Is “clot” a an appropriate collective noun for liberals?) Of note are a hissy fit of his own (sorry principled stance) in the tearing up his LP card and a forthcoming meeting with Hundal -”democrats for David Davis”, phew my civil liberties are secured.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 11:04
The people of the left who support David Davis as a champion of Liberty are the same who believe in reiki healing and ‘liberating’ recess monkies from labs. Politics in the practical For recent activities, see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/7453846.stm
Then, in reply: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frC0v-J3fPU
^^^
Cartman: Yep, that’s what I thought. See that? You’ve got a drum circle in your backyard. [eight hippies are seen seated around a small cmapfire drumming away. Logs are scattered around them]
Elderly Woman: Oh, well they showed up a few days ago, but I didn’t think they were hurting anything.
Cartman: Yeah. You know, I had a guy in Jackson county. He had a little drum circle in his backyard. It turned into a drum circle four miles in diameter. You get a few hippies playing drums and next thing you know, you got yourself a colony.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 11:26
From that Foley shite:
“visits to the constituency by celebrities and all the other usual campaigning techniques should be deployed to try and turn out a respectable vote for him.”
Kill them. Kill them all.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 13:47
“because if the Birmingham Six were dead (and guilty) no-one would be looking for the brave freedom-fighting heroes who actually bombed the pubs.”
What a stupid fucking comment.
I remember the LPYS conference when the Socialist Organiser delegate concluded his speech with “every bullet in a British soldier is another nail in the coffin of British imperialism”. That is your political faction and your political tradition not mine.
You can read a couple of hundred articles that I have written about Northern Ireland and you will never find a single word from me advocating support for terrorism. You also know that I opposed the demand that you used to put forward for “Troops Out Now”.
I will grant that you changed your line on this in the mid-1980s and came to a slightly more sensible position. But I don’t actually remember any of you playing much of a role in the campaigns for the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four, or against the CJB - and I was quite centrally involved in all of them.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 14:06
Foley comments:
‘you changed your line on this in the mid-1980s’
Who the *fuck* do you think you’re talking to? Who the *fuck* is *you*? What a self-important fucking tosser and arse.
How’s that campaign going for the Tory shitbag? Getting the vote out are you? Slimeball.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 14:13
Over to you Simon Pottinger. Care to enlighten him?
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 14:13
Foley and Hundal for Davis ! Hurrah, all we need now is Daniel “Davis” Davies to join the bandwagon as well !
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 14:20
Not me who commented on Ireland and no idea who “What will Seumas do?” is. Yes SO changed its position on “troops out” whilst I was a member so what? Its hardly a secret is it? BTW my first memory of meeting you was in a caucus at NOLS conference when you were working with us on our pre change of line position.
This is a separate issue in any event and I am not tearing up party card, an organisation with over 100 years of history, over a single issue which is not about civil rights/principle but about a time limit on exceptional cases. Neither am I calling for a vote for a Tory.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 14:26
back to you Foley shithead and clagnut tory vermin supporter.
Vote Tory! It’s the new wealy wadical postion for all true wibberwuls!
These people make me physically sick.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 15:40
Is it common for Liberal Conspiracy moderators to remove comments and pingbacks without leaving a trace of their ever having existed?
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 15:46
Yes — they do it all the time.
Just the other week they had linked to a post here by Hakmao on their front page but the stupid fucking tosser who linked to the piece mustn’t have got the directive from his Hundal master that this site is persona non grata (or whatever the fucking term is) and it was thus hastily removed without as much as a thank you kind sir.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 16:06
Hey ho - it (the pingback) has just reappeared. Maybe it was just a technical glitch.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 16:08
Maybe it was just a technical glitch.
Among those giant intellects? Mais c’est incroyable!
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 17:17
There’s now a Facebook group called David Davis: two faced git. A hanger who opposed repealing Clause 28.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 19:16
Simon yes there were a couple of meetings. One during the NOLS conference of 1983 (I don’t remember you being at that). There was also one before an NUS conference in 1985 or 86 where SSIN/SO agreed to circulate a resolution that I had written and which formed the basis of the policy that was subsequently adopted. It condemned violence from all sides, called for political dialogue and supported eventual British disengagement. I also remember having a brief chat at the conference where I advised you not to speak in favour of the “Troops Out Now” motion. You took my advice if I recall.
I have not actually torn up my party card, by the way, because I don’t have one. I left Britain eight years ago, but kept up a standing order to the Labour party up until last week. I have gradually been wondering why I still bother and 42 days and the racist tactics in the last by-election tipped me over. A lot of my friends and half my family remain members - and I respect their decision - I just can’t see why I should keep giving money to a party that I no longer support and am not in any position to influence.
On the by-election I take the same position as Helena Kennedy and Shami Chakrabarti and yes it is an issue that is currently under discussion. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 19:32
Foley — a Tory bigot and little-Englander.
And stop boring us all to death with shite about your moral perfectionism you dimwitted Tory supporting douchebag.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 19:35
[cretin and Tory vermin has not got the message yet - never mind - it wasn’t expected he would do so]
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 19:49
By the way — anyone who campaigns for tory vermin in any way shape or form is also a scab. Conor-Tory-Vermin-Scab-Foley and purveyor of hogwash fuck off.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 21:19
The odd thing about Conor Foley’s comment is that he picked up Will’s statement about David Davies’ support for the death penalty and then didn’t discuss it at all. Instead he turned on Will over his position regarding the Birmingham Six many years ago, a diversionary manoeuvre that had nothing to do with the substance of the discussion.
The point originally made by Hakmao is that Davies is fighting on a single issue as a symbol of civil liberties, but on a whole range of issues he is far from being a liberal but is a right wing authoritarian.
OK I agree with Davies on 42 days and some associated issues, but on everything else I am utterly opposed to him. His stance is bizarre and the only historical precedent I can think of is Hess’ flight to Britain - quixotic and deranged.
How New Labour has disappointed, how totally disenfranchised I feel. Yet for anyone giving themselves the label ‘liberal’ and ‘left’ voting Tory or campaigning for a very right-wing Conservative should be an anathema. It is either extremely naive or perhaps it is the logical next step in a journey they wanted to make all along. If they do fine. Just please don’t describe it as a left-wing stance. It isn’t and it is one I could never take.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 22:02
Connor
I can barely remember my own kids names let alone meetings about Ireland over 20 years ago and I have, seemingly, significantly less concern about what I thought/said back then than you. I am truly uninterested in all of that stuff.
However as Gadgie says above why so shy about the topic of this thread?
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 22:22
Why am I not surprised by Conor Foley’s joining the fool’s parade?
We should thank David Davis for exposing these tossers so well.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 22:26
By the way — anyone who campaigns for tory vermin in any way shape or form is also a scab.
Yes, he is. But Conor is a fool rather than a cretin, and you should let him speak.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 22:31
Give Davies his due - it surely takes a man of incredible political cunning to get people like Conor Foley, Sunny Hundal and Helena Kennedy, fighting on the same side as the BNP.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 22:33
He didn’t speak — it was an escape of gas.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 23:05
The flat heid explains a lot …
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 23:12
Some fucker has dropped Foley on his heed when he wasn’t looking.
Hundal looks ever so slightly metrosexual in his pose there.
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 23:30
[some shite about inconsequential shite]
[Tory vermin and scab - neither welcome to spout bollox — a slimeball — your authority is denied to speak on anything whatsoever]
Tuesday 17 June 2008 at 23:47
1. I think Gadgie meant my statement about Davis’ support for the death penalty (and 28 days detention without charge etc) in the post at the top of this thread, which Foley has not addressed … nor that point that the whole farrago is a stunt for that matter.
2. ‘His position’ refers to Foley’s position as Foley has no idea what Will’s position was.
3. Will is perfectly capable of dishing out abuse without resort to pseudonyms.
4. I am tired of Foley’s self-righteous obfuscating waffle stinking up my thread.
So, Foley - kindly fuck off, scab.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 8:32
Indeed you are right Hakmao. I meant to say that Foley did not discuss the the thread about Davis, he only wanted to argue about Will’s position on Ireland in the 80’s! My wording was not clear, understandable after the monstrous chop from the barbecue, suitably washed down of course.
However, I am not sure that Davis is just mounting a publicity stunt. I think that credits him with a bit too much intelligence. I think that he is sincere. That is because he is a bit too dim to think of it as a strategy. Hence the comparison with Hess. Nasty right winger, thick as two short planks, thinks he is a saviour.
Davis may be right on 42 days and a number of other civil liberties issues but his other opinions mean that he is the worst front man any civil liberties lobby could have, a personal and political disaster, associating the defence of our rights with the right wing of the Tory Party. Fellow travellers are making a big mistake backing him.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 8:45
Foley’s use of ‘you’ with reference to a position on NI — You can read a couple of hundred articles — confuses matters, as the ‘you’ he is not addressing the author of the post or Will, but SP.
Davis is right on 42 days but absolutely wrong on 28 days, I suppose he also thinks it’s possible to be a ‘little bit’ pregnant.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 9:08
Don’t think it was me either as I never raised Ireland but responded nonetheless.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 9:25
Fair enough, he appeared to be addressing you. So nobody, least of all Foley, has any idea what the fuck he was on about.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 9:27
Agreed Hakmao - It is all one of a piece with his English nationalism, hence all the repeated ahistorical references to fucking Magna Carta. A complete tosser.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 9:43
Just to be clear the quote which prompted his first comment was from someone with the tag “What will Seumas do?” as he mentioned SO, and I was the only former member around, I responded to that bit.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 9:45
PS Gadgie is correct and succinct re Magna Carta
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 9:58
re scab and tory vermin foley
see my comments on this old thread
http://drinksoakedtrotsforwar.com/2007/01/31/how-not-to-present-argument/
I have a crystal ball and can see into people’s souls…
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 10:01
How New Labour has disappointed, how totally disenfranchised I feel.
Yep.
Yet for anyone giving themselves the label ‘liberal’ and ‘left’ voting Tory or campaigning for a very right-wing Conservative should be an anathema.
Also yep.
I want a “none of the above” box on the ballot paper like they have in Australia. Or possibly a blank area where you can draw the government you’d actually like. Something practical.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 10:22
I want a “none of the above” box on the ballot paper like they have in Australia.
Careful now! You risk making Paulie very cross with comments like that.
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 10:27
http://hopisen.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/800-years-or-42-days/
http://viva-freemania.blogspot.com/2008/06/is-davis-making-any-sense-at-all.html
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 11:23
Quite sensibly Labour are not to stand against Tory ego monster on a frolic of his own
Wednesday 18 June 2008 at 22:31
These are the sort of people that Hundal (tory vermin and scab) and Foley (tory vermin and scab) are now campaigners for:
http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2008/06/why-were-the-wintertons-too-busy-to-find-a-new-home/
Friday 20 June 2008 at 1:56
“It’s time for brown people to switch to Tory”
-Sunny Hundal, 16 June 2008