Confusion
by Gadgie, 10 December 2007
Norm has dealt with one aspect of Gary Younge’s muddled piece in the Guardian, in which he develops a familiar theme of Western hypocrisy around criticism of the refusal of an Iranian-German footballer to play for the German under-21 team in Israel. Norm points out that the German experience is precisely why the present generation might just have pertinent comments to make about anti-Semitism.
Younge segues from his original arguments that there is “a far less murderous recent history of antisemitism in his Iranian heritage” and that (conveniently overlooking the past sixty-two years) “if any nation exemplifies the limits of integration without a vigorous culture of anti-racism it is Germany - the European nation where Jews were most assimilated and almost found themselves wiped out“, to yet another tiresome discussion of Islamophobia. He writes,
It has become a Europe-wide habit to refer to Muslims in particular and migrants in general as though they are barbarians who must either be civilised or banished, before they pollute the egalitarian societies in which they were either born or now live. Lacking all sense of humility, self-awareness and historical literacy, Europe’s political class acts as though these communities not only manifest homophobia, sexism, antisemitism, political violence and social unrest, but also as though they invented them and introduced them to an otherwise utopian continent.
Please Gary, if you want to criticise, get it right. Not only is this the creation of a straw man through vague generalisations, it does scant justice to the anti-totalitarian left, which does not conflate Islam the religion with Islamism the political ideology. Instead it makes the specific point that Islamism has imported into its world view precisely those aspects of European irrationalist thought - nihilism, death cults, anti-Semitsm, etc. - that caused carnage in the 20th Century. Our European experience shows that these ideas are not only repugnant but also unbelievably dangerous and that they have to be confronted.
This misrepresentation is compounded by a strange false analogy with the sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church.
Even as these scandals have run parallel with the war on terror, no one is claiming that Catholicism represents a threat to our civilisation.
Eh? Well there is a reason for that. It isn’t. The clergy in the Catholic Church are actually supposed to be celibate. Therefore there was no way in which anyone could claim “the abuse was essentially religious” as it took place against the express commands of the religion. Despite the appointment of sex offenders to the priesthood, there also doesn’t appear to be any Catholic militias decapitating Protestants, wishing to bring back the Inquisition, stoning to death adulterers, hanging gay men, or suicide bombing Anglican jumble sales and coffee mornings. Perverts ruining the lives of choir boys to satisfy their repressed sexuality isn’t quite the same thing. The reason why Jihadi movements can be seen as a threat to our civilisation is that they have declared themselves to be just that and have set about a campaign of random murder in an attempt to bring it down.
To pretend that the dead of New York, London, Madrid, Bali and the far more numerous Muslim victims in Muslim countries are not witness to the existence of a murderous political movement is to abandon all sense. To claim that Europeans are unable to act in solidarity with the victims of those movements is equally ridiculous.
I am an atheist and do not like religion of any type, but I can certainly spot the difference between Islam and Islamism, in the same way that I can distinguish between European Enlightenment values and European Fascism. I would hope that Gary Younge could be similarly discriminating.




Monday 10 December 2007 at 19:58
This must be one of the most boneheaded, stupid articles ever to grace Comment is Worthless. This is what spending too long in the company of Milne and Bunting does to you. Almost every paragraph is the creation of lazy thinking.
‘They attack Muslim fundamentalist homophobes on housing estates, but align themselves with Christian fundamentalist homophobes in the White House.’
Yes, Gary, because it’s absolutely impossible to do one without the other, isn’t it? You’re either with us or against us, as your friend in the White House keeps telling us. But since you’re forcing the choice, do you recall Bush, for all his pandering to Christianity and homophobia, ever advocating theocratic government or the death penalty for homosexuals?
‘If an imam doesn’t like women walking past his mosque in a bikini, that’s too bad for him. If an MP doesn’t like women walking into his surgery in a niqab, that’s too bad for him, too.’
The correct analogy, Gary, would be a woman walking into a mosque to pray in a bikini. Too bad for the imam? Oops, I forgot, women are still not permitted in almost half of British masjids.
Monday 10 December 2007 at 23:33
“the anti-totalitarian left, which does not conflate Islam the religion with Islamism the political ideology”
As Islam is 90% political ideology, I’d say it was Mohammed that did the conflation. You do not find Muslims (except those playing the victim card for the benefit of the useful idiots on the Left) making any such distinction.
“There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime”
I suggest you reconsider just who or what is the enemy, Gadgie. Otherwise, a good crit of the increasingly deranged CiF. But for its sugar-daddy, the Graun would be an NCP car park by now.
Tuesday 11 December 2007 at 4:38
Please change to:
Instead it makes the specific point that Islamism incorporates into its world view precisely those aspects of generic irrationalist thought - nihilism, death cults, anti-Semitsm, etc. - that caused carnage in the 20th Century.
There is more than a hint that Muslims are just as capable as the Euros to have formed irrationalist concepts from indigenous sources.
Tuesday 11 December 2007 at 12:54
It’s the infantilisation thing again, isn’t it? For Younge and his ilk the only possible problem that can arise from Islamist movements and regimes lies in our response to them. They themselves are incapable of incubating any problems on their own.
Tuesday 11 December 2007 at 13:21
It’s the infantilisation thing again, isn’t it? For Younge and his ilk the only possible problem that can arise from Islamist movements and regimes lies in our response to them.
It’s full-on Noble Savage fetishism, Imperialism’s bad conscience without empire.
Tuesday 11 December 2007 at 23:22
You do not find Muslims (except those playing the victim card … ) making any such distinction.
Oh really? I believe this is known as the ‘argument from out of one’s arse’.
I suggest you reconsider just who or what is the enemy.
Which information is to be gleaned from the pages of the Daily Mail …