In defence of you know who

by Will, 16 October 2007

There’s been a bit of shitty anti-Hitchensianism over at this postivist blog — causing a stir so it is…

Well — fuck them, and it, as well.

Giving it some welly for now (and will see what develops)…

I’m less than convinced by the veracity of this report. I’ve read and heard Hitchens say intemperate things that could easily be misconstrued so as to produce an account of the kind in the ’scienceblog’ post (and lets be frank here — scientists are — for the most part — fucking stupid cunts when it comes to matters politic). This is more convincing, since it relies more directly on words directly attributed to Hitchens, and is much less alarming.

I do think Hitchens’ resort to hyperbole inevitably gets him into trouble on this subject from time to time. The “God people are never good people” stuff, delightful and provocative as it is (oh it really is - because it is true) does tend to contradict his own utterances about “good people going about their harmless devotions” stuff elsewhere. It’s much less satisfying to say “Religion has the capacity to poison anything and usually does” than “Religion poisons everything”, but the former is more readily defensible, the latter is actually more difficult to defend- and indeed Hitchens himself goes out of his way to state a “whatever gets you through the night as long as you don’t force it on me” case elsewhere in his fine and gorgeous book.

At times he’s gone out of his way to insist that he has absolutely no quarrel or objection to people who rely on some religious tradition as a private affair, and has expressed sympathy for the religious who suffer the “phantom limb” after leaving their churches or mosques or what have you. Also, Hitchens is perfectly capable of maintaining friendships with “people of faith,” in his private life, and usually treats well-meaning God botherering fuckwits, in public debates, with the utmost respect, and even affection (which in my opinion he should not do).

What Hitchens is doing in Americayankland is far more important than what he fails to do sometimes with regards to nuance. And in the YanklandStates, it must grate on him terribly to be constantly and incessantly lectured and hectored about how American Christianists are just as bad, or as dangerous as Islamist nutbags, when they are clearly and demonstrably not.

If that was the point he had in mind, the point that atheists in America fail to sufficiently acknowledge the scourge of Islamist tyranny and theocratic fascists in the so-called “Muslim world” (and which may yet present existential threats to rationalist and enlightenment modes of thought and reality) then good for him. Really good for him.

Fuck the whiners, fuck the pussies and fuck the positivist church goers. Disgusting cretins and creeps of the highest order.

PS. if I had to spend 3 days with 700 self-styled freethinkers in Madison Wisconsin (an epicentre of self-satisfied, middle class campus radicalism tosspottery) I’d have been pissed the whole time as well.

Pass that Johnny Walker you tosser!!

Youtube here – really shitty quality — let us hope something better makes its way upwards towards the surface… first of four it is…

Comments

  1. Terry Glavin

    great post, Will.

  2. Handsome Dan

    “PS. if I had to spend 3 days with 700 self-styled freethinkers in Madison Wisconsin (an epicentre of self-satisfied, middle class campus radicalism tosspottery) I’d have been pissed the whole time as well.”

    You think you’ve got problems - I *live* in Madison, for a few more months anyway. There may be plenty of athiests here, but very, very few “freethinkers.” Check out our afternoon fishwrap, The Capitol Times (http://www.madison.com/tct) for some laffs.

  3. Eamonn

    The thing about Hitchens is that you can agree with some things he says and disagree with other things but you can never fail to take his arguments seriously…

  4. Terry Glavin

    Cheer up, Handsome Dan. I see the Badgers are tied for 13th place with St. Lawrence.
    Go Wisconsin!

  5. Ian King

    Better yet for Handsome Dan — Green Bay is 5-1 and sitting atop the NFC North. Go Packers!

  6. dllr

    …after hearing some of the things he said, yes you can pass it off as hyperbole. But at the end of the day if I wanted to hear/read that kind of stuff I’d read Little Green Footballs.

    Hitch always walks a fine line and earlier on in the talk he seems a lot more focussed. I’ve spoken via e-mail to a couple of the people who were there and they back up Pharyngula’s account.

    It’s a real pity because Hitch did a really good interview with the FFRF on their podcast and then turned up at their event and failed to build on that.

  7. Gadgie

    I have just listened to the fifth of the You Tubes. In it Hitchens was handling the questions that must have prompted the remarks. The first talked of how “we caused the Muslim world to regress” and invited Hitchens to renounce his support for the Iraq war. The next questioner asked how he could not see that Western civilisation, “the civilisation of colonisers and oppressors”, was not the main problem to which Islamism was a response. So he was pulled back on to depressingly familiar territory to which a hostile approach was entirely appropriate. Therefore it seems that either he went over the top or that he was misinterpreted by the angry righteousness of the ‘anti-imperialists’ (pace endless crap reviews of Nick Cohen, articles on the Euston Manifesto, etc).

  8. Scoop Shachtman

    PZ Myers’ post appears to be misleading and sloppy.
    http://uncrediblehallq.blogspot.com/2007/10/my-notes-on-ffrf-convention.html

  9. Chris Hallquist

    I’m the author of the dissenting account linked by Scoop. Since we seem to have quite a few Hitchens fans at this blog, does anyone know how to get in touch with him? Hitchens deserves a chance to confront Myers on this personally. I tried sending him a heads-up about this with an e-mail address I found in a Wired article, but I have no idea if the address is still good.

  10. Will

    I will email you with information/a suggestion Chris.